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Post by nymph on Apr 14, 2005 12:31:04 GMT 8
HI just learn how fish with drys and nymphs, still cant hookup any fish . pls help to provide some tips. THKS.
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2005 13:36:03 GMT 8
HI just learn how fish with drys and nymphs, still cant hookup any fish . pls help to provide some tips. THKS. What fish are you targetting with your dry fly? If you are targeting Peacock Bass with your nymphs, I think you should be able to get lucky if you go LSR.
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Post by nymph on Apr 15, 2005 2:16:17 GMT 8
HI BILLY i wanted to catch small fish only, any fish also can. need help on how to work the drys and nymphs,not worry about spots, can you pls help me? BIG THANKS TO YOU BILLY. ;D
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Post by Admin on Apr 15, 2005 7:55:35 GMT 8
Okay. You've got the LSR spot for your nymphs.
Go to Upper Seletar Reservoir(Mandai) near the dam. Cast your dry fly there. You might get a few tilapias.
Good luck.
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Post by mtshark on Apr 15, 2005 10:37:26 GMT 8
Hey Nymph, At first when I saw your nick, I thought you tied yourself to a hook... kekeke Just kidding lah. Maybe you could tell us more about yourself, like what gear are you using and what line too. Of coz, what unit wt is your fly rod? From the folks, as we are fishing still water most of the time in Singapore (hardly find any legal flowing streams around that hold good fish), just land your fly where the rise is and wait. As mentioned by Uncle Wong, this feat is not for the weak hearted. Good luck! By the way, I have never landed a fish with dry flies as I use crazy charlie most of the time. Once I recover, I would be fishing them like never before! hahaha, till I recover then... ;D
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Post by Qwek on Apr 15, 2005 10:48:11 GMT 8
Flyfishing with Dry and Wet flies
Hello nymph, hope the following can be useful to you.
Fishing with dry flies requires a fair presentation of your flies. Good casting skill help to you to attract more fish. You can also just chuck and wait for a rise, but most of the time this will just spook the fish.
Let start with the outfit, it is ideal to fish with light tackles, 3/4wt downward. Lighter rod allows for better presentation and less fatigue. You can still fish with a heavier rod, but be mindful of your casting and loading of the rod strength. Most flyfishermen find that their flies had snapped off during casting. Most of us fish “dry” with slow to medium rods, unless you going for the distance.
Now for the tackle, fishing with dry requires floating lines. You need at least a rod length of leader between the flyline and the fly. A thin bit tippet is ideal in relation to the size of the fly used. Some uses mono lines and some uses flurocarbon. There are no fixed rules on the choice of tippet materials, I used mono for it flexibility and allows the fly to move naturally. I prefer a tippet that does not float on the surface, which cause a line of surface tension leading to the fly. We do not see it, but view from underwater, the tension is as clear and as wide as your fly. But you can choose to use either fluro or mono tippets. As a guide, use thin tippet for small flies and heavier tippet to turn over a large fly.
I will not discuss drag at this point, as we do not have much of running water here.
The flies to use depend on the hatch or insects activities around the area you are fishing. Short of telling you to study Entomology, here a brief guide to the insect world in and around our water. This may be helpful for both fishing with dry and nymphs or wet flies.
As far as I know, we have both the mayfly and the caddies flies in our local water. I not sure about the stoneflies, but I have seen them in rivers around Tasik Kenyir. Stoneflies are always needs running water for it aquatic stage development.
I am not sure as to the actual numbers of group or families of mayflies in Singapore. Basically mayfly’s lifecycle evolves in and around water, it lives underwater as nymphs up to a year or so. When it matures, they hatch in winged adults called dun. The duns molts one more time into a spinner, after mating the females lay eggs into the water and then dies. The adult mayflies lives for only a couple of days to reproduce and expired.
The mayflies spent most of the time in the aquatic stage as nymphs. They cling or burrow among the sediments and other underwater objects most of the time. When swimming, they flip their tails much like a dolphin. So if you are fishing nymphs, use a figure-8 retrieve or short strips to imitate a swimming nymph.
Caddies flies are also common in our local water, just like the mayflies. They spent most of their life under water but not as nymphs but have another development stage. That is from a larva to a pupa. However, the adults emerge rather fast and stay longer up to a week out of the water. The adults will mate and lay eggs while hovering above water, some do dive into the water and swim to the bottom to lay eggs.
One good thing to know is that caddies flies are available year round unlike mayflies.
Stoneflies on the other hand are not well known here, but I had caught Sebarus on stonefly nymphs before where there is occasional running water. So don’t give up on the stoneflies patterns, both the nymphs and adults stages.
The other dry flies you can use are the Terrestrials. They do not have an aquatic life cycle but are found around water. They are usually grasshoppers, ants, beetles and other insects that are blown by winds onto the water surface.
I usually start with a hopper pattern as my searching fly, it is a common insect found on the water here.
So basically, you need lighter outfits for dry flies with thin tippet and good presentation. Just cast to rises and wait or twitch to stimulate a strike. The outfits are use for fishing with nymphs, again with floating lines but longer leaders maybe one and a half rod length. But you can also fish with intermediate or sinking lines too. I choose floating line and when stripping the fly is pull up towards the surface and also to avoid underwater snags.
These are just some of the flies we used, but you can try other patterns and methods. Uncle Wong like to use Daddy-long-legs or crane flies, it just a preference. No hard and fast rules.
I hope the above information is useful, most important it that you try your way first and have fun.
Cheers Qwek
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Post by nymph on Apr 15, 2005 13:24:54 GMT 8
wow thats is one huge lesson on flys!now i will try all waters that i use to fish. thanks to everyone for helping me sorry i cant type well and no good with computer but i will read and learn more in this great forum. thks again.
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Post by Chee Yung on Apr 16, 2005 7:57:44 GMT 8
Hi nymph , What a wealth of info from Qwek who is the most experience ultralite dry-flyer here ....hope to add some info without mistakes ;D My limited experience is with dry fly on bamboo rods ( read medium action rods) and on still waters. I've had little luck and time to arrive at a spot when the big-fly hatches occur ( ie mayflies and caddis) but I believe one fly is always hatching and thats the midge ( ie mosquitoes etc)... thats why my favourite pattern is the Griffith's Gnat and I fish it at potential 'lies' and water edges where fish my hide or launch an attack (pbs). Most of the water edge fish are small but you wont mind right? My favourite method is to wake the fly upon touchdown and leave it there till the ripple disappears. If there is no action, I'll wake the fly again and stop in 3 inch intervals only retrieving the fly when it starts to sink ( BTW GGs do sink if left in the water of fished too long). That hit from the fish is usually dramatic or a gentle suck. Then, I'll wait a microsecond before doing a strip strike. I always think that our fingers are more sensitive than the rod and will let go of the line when I feel some tension. Then its fighting the fish with the rod first then the reel second ( by lowering the rod). Hope this helps ;D cheers CY
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Post by nymph on Apr 16, 2005 18:46:15 GMT 8
hi chee yung just went to my fishing ground manage to hook up some little fishs using home tied nymphs and dry flys. sorry i need to know my tipet always float! how you guys make it sink when fishing with drys? thks
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Post by Chee Yung on Apr 16, 2005 19:02:15 GMT 8
Hi nymph , Most lines naturally sink when wet but I like to use bankside mud on the leader to make it sink faster. Some go through the trouble of getting 'fuller's earth' but its all mud to me Hmm..wonder what is Qwek's patented method..kekekeke Glad you are hauling them in n releasing them green Cheers CY
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Post by nymph on Apr 17, 2005 0:10:34 GMT 8
hi chee yung its been a great help. thks
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Post by Qwek on Apr 18, 2005 22:35:10 GMT 8
Hi nymph,
Chee Yung has just about sum it up. UlltraLight flyfishing is another ball game in flyfishing, but you don't throw all your current stuff out of the window. For dry flyfishing you don't have to go for the distance, infact you find that your casting accurancy improve overtime trying to target the rises.
Normally I just wet the tippet by running it across by moisted lip. But be careful that you don't run the fly into your lip. Talk about body piercing.
Glad that you are having funs.
Cheers Qwek
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Post by Chee Yung on Apr 18, 2005 23:09:08 GMT 8
Hi nymph and Qwek , Nymph...I guess I went a little too technical about mud as that was a textbook answer... actually, the leader floats most of the time because it is dry as Qwek's slime method clearly demonstrates..hahaha... actually, the tippet/leader usually floats because our hands are naturally oily and this transfers onto the leader... so dont go lickin' the line after prata ya.... hahahaha... actually, soaking your leader in mild detergent aka mama lemon is one way.... the fish may mind it tho ;D Bro Qwek.. just noticed that you like Ed Zern.... he is an angler with people nad not tackle or fish at heart ya Cheers CY
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Post by nymph on Apr 18, 2005 23:38:54 GMT 8
hi mr Qwek and mr chee yung currently i am using 4 wt for all rounder and 0wt for nymph and dry flys. tought of getting a 8wt for salt water soon. about running the tipet across lip? do i have to do it offen? or kept a small bottle of mama lemon with me?
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Post by Qwek on Apr 19, 2005 0:04:48 GMT 8
Hi Chee Yung,
No, I just like funky quotes. Like this one: "I fish, therefore I lie" ;D
Hi nymph,
Only for the first time, and never put the leader or anythings on your lips that have come in contact with dirty water. You never know who might have waded in before you.
An 8wt, I guess you are using for it overseas fishing. A 5-6wt is more than enough for local use, IMHO. Guess you shouldn't ask a guy who fishes with Ultra Light tackles.
I still bring out the heavy guns (like a 5wt) on somedays, when I need to pull out fishes from weeds and snags.
Check it out with Henry at Coho, he would be able to "size" you up for your next tackle.
Cheers Qwek
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