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Post by Admin on Jan 6, 2006 17:00:43 GMT 8
Hi Guys,
1.67er 10 shares 2. snakeriver 10 shares 3. xxJimbozxx 10 shares and if time permits car and medium lungs 4. Shadow_Caster 20 shares. SMS Time & Place please 5. Chee yung 20 shares. SMS Ditto 6. Alberto - 30 shares - I finish work at 5.30pm, dun drive so let me know where to meet to help out. 7. Mel - 10 shares 8. Elmo-10 shares 9. Rueben-20 shares 10. Qwek-20 shares 11. Huns - 20 shares 12. Billy 20 shares
Can I pay up when I go COHO or when I meet you YH. Busy for a while.
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Post by snakeriver on Jan 6, 2006 17:37:06 GMT 8
wow..looking at the response, 200 shares are snapped up within 2 days. Thank you everyone.
with regards to the release location, I am sure everyone here is mature enough to understand the danger of disclosing the release location openly. That is why I suggest new volunteers to come forward and help out with the second edition of this release programme. We have to be patient to see results within the next 1-2 years. Let us trust whoever is involved in the releasing them. As long we all have the same vision for the future, we will succeed one day.
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Post by pirate! on Jan 7, 2006 14:54:08 GMT 8
i'm not a share holder in either of the projects. but this is my 2 cents. i personally think that the location should only be revealed when the fish are breeding and there is a stable and sustainable population. I have posted a thread in arofanatics asking for tin foil barbs in arofanatics forum. i think that if free fish can be obtained, it will be better than spending money to buy more. plus, it will be a bonus if they are mature so they will breed quickly provided that the conditions are good. the thread is this one. www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220766i have some tank space at the moment since i have moved my peacock bass into another tank. i am also looking to cycle the new tank space so that i can keep some fish in it. haha. i will be seeing my fish supplier tonight so i will ask him how much are lampan in bulk. how big should the fish be? fingerlings? palm sized? zion koi currently has got in a new shipment of japaneese koi so they they would be looking to clear their old stock and locally bread stock. they have some chargois which translated means coffee coloured koi which look like the carps jimmy aw catches. i think they would go for around $10 each. they have tremendous growth potential and their 4 year old mother is huge (more than 80cm) long. just sharing my source. Best Regards An Ren
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Post by pirate! on Jan 7, 2006 16:17:51 GMT 8
Hi An Ren, Thanks for the help. Chiefly, the idea of getting Tinfoil from other sources is (hopefully) to provide a larger gene pool to the existing stock in Macritchie. Keep up the good work. I recall the explosion and implosion of certain species for some mysterious reasons. For example, in the 80s, tiger barb were everywhere in Kranji and Yishun. 8-15 years ago, they just disappeared. I mean, instead of some residual remnants, they're just simply non-existence. I am beginning to suspect they could be victims of gene crash or in-breeding. Obviously, over harvesting, lost of habitats and unfavorable water conditions play a part too. Not to break your heart, but Koi do not breed in our reservoirs. To 'grow' our investment, our main focus ideally should be on indigenous species that are endangered or extinct in our waters. This group of fishes should add value as a food source, game fish, or both. Unfortunately, not all our reservoirs could sustain cyprinidaes of our region, that is why we are also focusing on alternatives. The fictional Ian Malcolm of Jurassic park once said nature will find its way, but the effect could be irreversible when wrong species were introduced. Nature could have found its way, but we could be long gone by then. IMO the gravest danger is to introduce something that breed like rabbit and yet provide little or no improvement in terms of sportng quality to the current gamefishes we have now. Once these 'rabbits' upset the equilibrium of our ecosystem, they is little else we could do. So guys, do not trade short term enjoyment for generations of potential anglers. yeah... ok.. it just crossed my mind as the fish i was thinking of were bred in singapore.. yeah... like that lah... what other fish are we looking to get?
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Post by Chee Yung on Jan 7, 2006 16:28:40 GMT 8
Great contributions of ideas An Ren ... we need more people like you who try to make things better... One matter brought up by YH is very interesting and I've discussed it with BT earlier. The reintroduction of indigenous bait fish like tiger barbs, local (not siamese) fighting fish ( for mozzie control), 3-eyes, sepat, rasboras etc. are good. Beware of bringing in pesky fellows like climbing perch though ;D. There are many places in M'sia and even some secret spots where these small fishes still thrive and can be harvested carefully. Cheers CY
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Post by pirate! on Jan 7, 2006 17:03:48 GMT 8
Great contributions of ideas An Ren ... we need more people like you who try to make things better... One matter brought up by YH is very interesting and I've discussed it with BT earlier. The reintroduction of indigenous bait fish like tiger barbs, local (not siamese) fighting fish ( for mozzie control), 3-eyes, sepat, rasboras etc. are good. Beware of bringing in pesky fellows like climbing perch though ;D. There are many places in M'sia and even some secret spots where these small fishes still thrive and can be harvested carefully. Cheers CY I'll talk to my local fish guy about them... fighting fish is the short tail kind being the native ones?? what are 3 eyes and sepat? i think if we were to re stock tiger barbs, we should get the feeder ones. cheaper. there is a sale going on at some LFS. can find it in the AF forum... yeah... so far some guy has offered me some feng shui fish.. which is red... i dunno wad it is and have not accepted yet. how about stocking patins? or grassies?
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Post by Chee Yung on Jan 8, 2006 14:09:08 GMT 8
Great suggestions and understanding of local species YH . I may be mistaken about the tiger barb but there are actually a few varieties with the Sumatran barb being larger. I used to catch them in my jungle-like estate canals so I figured they were indigenous . The fighting fish and other bettas ( again used to catch those from canals and padi fields very much like our reservoir canals ) thrive well in shallow weed/ grassy banks like those found in some reservoirs... so that's why I included them. The food chain is indeed the way to approach this stocking idea but one critical part , habitat and weed growth is sorely lacking ... I wonder if we can study the idea of selective weed intoduction, ie, have the leafy waterweeds instead of the very quick growing hydrillas in FAD-like small plant pots??? Seeing pictures of the chalk streams with clearcwater and a carpet of weeds from my pals in US is a real inspirational image ;D Cheers CY
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Post by AnglerAdventurer on Jan 8, 2006 14:25:49 GMT 8
Hi YH,
Now, the whole picture is getting clearer!!
In the earlier Parvon Project, I did brought up the issue about the the bait fishes & shrimps for the Performers. We can't just introduce them and not spare a thought about the food chain and whether the performers can sustain and multiply in our home waters. There must be a balance in the ecosystem. For every performer we introduce, we must also cater the food chain for them to survive. Call me foolish but I think we really need to consider a multiple adoption program for the bait fishes.
A few of us have been doing this on a weekly basis when I was in town and I intend to carry on doing it whenever I'm back.
Yes, we have to be very careful of what we introduce in our home waters. So long as we do not go over the "line" and introduce something that deteriorates the ecosystem i think we are safe with Tiger Barbs, Sepat, Rasboras & weed shrimps.
Huns.
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Post by pirate! on Jan 8, 2006 19:00:00 GMT 8
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Post by Anakin on Jan 8, 2006 23:44:28 GMT 8
I've no idea what species the weeds belongs to, sorry for severely side tracking but just wanted to add-on on the possibilities to the sudden explosion of weeds.
The sandbed plays a part in "filtering" the water. It is the holding place for most dead organisms which undergoes a denitrification process which results in NO2. This NO2 over time, will collect into larger gas pockets float up and deperse into the air.
I notice about LSR that the sand bed is often disturbed when the weeds are being removed. The stir of sand provides the decomposing waste with a lot of oxygen which in turn cause aerobic bacteria to break the things down very fast. Problem is, aerobic bacteria doesn't break waste down into gases it stops at nitrates. Which is one of plant's main nutrient source. As mentioned earlier anaerobic bacteria is much slower than aerobic bacteria, this stir of the sand bed creates much more nitrates than the anaerobic bacteria can cope with. Hence the plants enjoy a huge supply of food and explode.
My 0.5 cents only.
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Post by Qwek on Jan 9, 2006 8:10:32 GMT 8
Hi folks,
Just a word of caution before over-enthusiasm get the upper hand and may leads to un-desirable species being released in the local waters.
Cheers Qwek
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Post by pirate! on Jan 9, 2006 12:19:20 GMT 8
please be careful when you release feeders that they are all healthy. my feeder supplier quarrentines his feeders and each time i get them from him, less than 5 will die. yeah... last thing we want is a virus introduced by feeders to come along and wipe out all our dear dancers and sebbies. signs to look for are rapid breathing, white spots like pinecones, standing scales, droopy eyes etc.
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Post by Anakin on Jan 9, 2006 22:35:49 GMT 8
That's something i missed out.. the roots. You're right, although i was refering more to the machines literally digging into the sand, especially in shallow waters. I've gotten your point though.. Given the very low population of the chosen baitfish, are there effective ways of repopulating them considering predation and nettings. The suggestion of FAD sounds like a good starting point. I am willing to help out if we need to build 1 ourselves.
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Post by Chee Yung on Jan 10, 2006 9:20:09 GMT 8
.. Just like the case of Bettas, if you track along USR, enter from the roundabout, you will come across a pool of water teeming with Bettas. Although this pool pours its waters to USR, I was not able to find even one Betta near the mouth of the feeder stream on main reservoir. Another similar case is LP, no Bettas found in the main reservoir but in the feeder streams. Given the above fact, and its protein per bite and reproductory rate, I'd choose Sumatran tiger barb over bettas. YH ;D..YH... You have presented the facts right and always note that I'm not the most factual person in the world and mostly sentimental ... I was merely talking about shallow weedy water inhabitants ( betta and sepat are a few of those)... Indeed, I would never think practical things like protein per bite ;D ;D Anyway, it is just wonderful reading the insightful knowledge of the people here ... who says we merely catch fish ... we think fish and dream fish! ... Will certainly support your rasbora IPO and Hun's suggestions there are just great! Cheers CY
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2006 11:02:47 GMT 8
Anyway, it is just wonderful reading the insightful knowledge of the people here ... who says we merely catch fish ... we think fish and dream fish! ... Will certainly support your rasbora IPO and Hun's suggestions there are just great! Cheers CY I had always told the NPark and PUB guys that, fly fishing involved more than than just throwing a piece of bait into that water and waiting for the fish to bite. Habitat, bait fish , water condition, entomology, insects, weather just to name a few. There is a whole lot more like using different materials to tie a fly that the fish will eat. Of course the art of casting a fly line. You can write a whole book on the topics involved, and it won't cover the whole spectrum of how a fly fisherman goes about trying to catch a fish. ;D Which is why fly fishing is such an interesting subject/topic/sport/hobby/exercise etc. I think we should get it introduced into the secondary school's ECA. Singapore kids need to get out more often instead of getting their eyes glued to a computer screen play video games.
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