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Post by Chee Yung on Feb 9, 2007 18:57:37 GMT 8
Hi GP, Like Al used to say... I'm poison ;D ;D Looks like you need quite a beefy yet light at hand rod to tackle the stillwaters. I have not fished a real Payne... that will be a 'real pain' to let go ;D but see TY's Thramer hollowbuilt Payne 201 flyfishingsg.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=Bamboo&action=display&thread=1115025176... he has caught Alaskan Biggies with it and recently scored a nice Sebbie. Hollow-building reduces the rod weight and increases the sensitivity and tip speed of the rod but will usually result in a slightly 'fatter' rod. Not that we can notice! Hollow building also allows cane rods above 7.5ft to perform better. I prefer hollow built rods and rods closer to 8ft as it is nicer to cast distance, roll cast, fish from tip or butt, and is generally more versatile IMHO. Collectors like short rods but I only find it fun using them in very tight quarters and for weights below 4wt. You really cannot expect a cane rod to be like graphite in terms of rod weight but believe me if you can balance your tackle, you would not want to put a cane rod down ... those who casted Marcello's rod, the Granger, Beaverhead and others will know what I mean... pure heaven! ;D I actually like all of my rods and use them depending on my mood. Take your time...Enjoy the rods you have, contact the rodmakers, read the histories and prepare for the ride... this is a slow acting but very effective poison ;D Cheers CY
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Post by flybum on Mar 22, 2007 1:27:41 GMT 8
Hi CY,
I too have fish in and around the Taiping area and I actually used an old cane rod in Bt. Merah a few times for sebarau more than a few years back.Cannot recall the make of rod, only can remember that it was heavy maybe 8/9 ft. long.Caught a few sebarau's with it though especially at the outflow of the lake.I am averse to heavy rods and will stick to shorter canes for the time.Have yet to come across hollow built rods.Are they durable and is there a substantial loss in weight? I suppose more expensive too.
Last Friday I was fishing a loch for wild brown trout with the Constable. All I can say it was brilliant.Eventhough the wee rod was meant for small stream, it still perform very nicely whilst casting and playing fish.
I bought another in an auction, a 2pc+1 spare tip 7ft.POISONED....!!!
Regards GP
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Post by Chee Yung on Mar 22, 2007 21:06:09 GMT 8
Hi GP, It's good to know that you have fished around the Larut Matang area. Fish around Taiping lakes are more mountain stream species while at Bukit Merah you get more coloured water due to the bog-like conditions. Arowanas, terubol and Kalui abound there though sebbies are also quite common. I remember once when the dam was flowing and terubols jumped upstream like salmon! We sometimes make too much out of the weight of the rod as cane rods can remain within the 4-5oz range even at 8ft. The trick is taper and if that is not enough, hollow-building. I say taper because I have a 7.5ft 5wt quad that is actually quite light in weight due to hollowbuilding but due to the taper, the tip bends alot while the butt remains pretty straight even under load distance casting. This makes the rod a chore to cast at times. However, my Calviello is an 8ft 5wt that is hollowbuilt and is slightly heavier than the quad but due to taper design, feels effortless to cast. Believe me and order an 8ft from makers like AJ Thramer, Mike Brooks and Carlin for lower budgets ( USD$ 1100 plus) or if your pocket allows from Marcello or Wayne Maca, you will have a really solid go to rod for running and still waters. I'm not familiar with UK makers but European makers are also great. Hollow-built rods are durable ( some rods built by Murphy 150 plus years ago were hollow-built calcutta cane ) and there is some weight savings. But what is important is that hollowbuilding (HB)create a lighter tip/but and an internal taper that can speed up the rod action where necessary. I have not regretted buying HB rods as they really do feel good at 5wt and above. Smaller rods do not benefit as much from HB and look better solid built. Glad you are really enjoying your canes! Happy fishing! Cheers CY
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Post by flybum on Apr 3, 2007 16:49:56 GMT 8
Hi CY,
Great wands...truely magical..even Gandalf will be hard put to counjure them up.
I am considering 7 1/2ft. 2pcs.+1 for 3/4 wt. class.Any recommendations? I like the looks of the Carvielho( hope I spelled that right) and also from beaverrods.
Been out fishing over the weekend on a small river that flows thru' Edinburgh.And the wee cane rod performed beautifully,landing a few brownies up to a pound on drys.However I feel the rod is a bit shortish(6'9").Is there an optimum lenght?
Garrison and Cattanach tapers..what do they signify? Are there other tapers?Do each maker have their own taper ?
Cheers GP
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Post by Chee Yung on Apr 3, 2007 17:54:00 GMT 8
Hi GP, Glad that you really enjoying your cane rod fishing .. nice catches.. do post some photos for our enjoyment Do provide a budget for what you are thinking of... Marcello Calviello www.ctrods.com/ will build smaller solid rods at very affordable prices especially the impregnated SSS series.. email him to find out more. Wayne Macca's rods start at USD$2K. I like 8ft 5wt rods for maximum versatility but the Drow ( Dickerson 6611 taper) is changing my mind as it is extremely versatile.. roll cast, distance to 60ft plus, 2 to 5wt line you name it . I have noticed that trout anglers like 8ft 4wt plus rods.. Everett Garrison is a famous part time maker who created progressive rods and wrote the seminal rodmaking book with Hoagy Carmicheal. His tapers are readily available as he has passed on. Wayne Cattanach is another rodmaker who encouraged hobby rodmaking and also wrote a book and 'created' a few tapers that are more graphite-like according to some people. I have not casted Cattanach tapers. I mentioned a few tapers in the Malaysian forum. Please refer to Hexrod if you'd like to learn more or visit the 'taper section' of the bamboo rod forums mentioned earlier. Cheers CY
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Post by mustaffaaziz on Mar 4, 2008 15:38:56 GMT 8
Hi GP,
What a strange way to get re acquainted!!! I hope you still remember me. I lent you 2 books - Seatrout fishing in Scotland and Salmon Fisheries of Scotland - when you first went to Scotland, more than 10 years ago. Remember? Probably when we first formed the flyfishing club in Nick's shop.
Anyway, I am the "kettle' in this forum. Don,t know if you realised that I replied to a thread in MFN that shook a hornet's nest.
I hope you are well and enjoying the brown trout, sea trout and salmon fishing as I did many many years ago when I lived in the UK.
Cheerio,
mustaffa.
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Post by Chee Yung on Mar 10, 2008 6:44:47 GMT 8
Welcome to the spot where both blonde and flamed are considered beautiful ... no worries, black means broiled in a nice charcoal fire. I hope GP posts here once a while in response to your participation. It can be quiet here in the bamboo grove .. not that we low profile varnish sniffers are complaining ;D I hope to bring a bunch of cane back to M'sia one of these days to cast with the graphite boys. It'll be nice and relaxing.. lepak style fishing if you know what I mean. Cheers CY
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