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Post by Admin on May 13, 2005 18:54:50 GMT 8
Not surprising. Personally I would like them to allow us fish in boats, since boats are allowed into the reservoir for recreation purposes.
Not costly. Also can auction the boating licence off to the highest bidder to run a boating operation.
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Post by FCUK on May 13, 2005 19:05:51 GMT 8
Aw shucks, Billy - you beat me to it I was gonna say : As the Ah Peks of FFSF - BillyTeo and ' myself ', strongly feel that some of the funds should be allocated to making boat hire available to fly anglers Nothing more relaxing than flyfishing on our butts all day and the fun of seeing fish follow your fly and the frustration of them not grabbing Safer for runners and less strenous for running flyfishos too ;D
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Post by alberto on May 16, 2005 10:43:12 GMT 8
Hi folks, I would prefer that they spend the money to stock the reservoir with fish and hire people to police and maintain the place.
Alberto
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Post by Admin on May 16, 2005 11:31:22 GMT 8
I think the idea of a jetty had already been decided long ago. SFAS would probably had been invited to give feedbacks and opinions. (I am guessing only)
But I have a very strong suspicion that all the "consultation" are done to cover somebody's ass. In case anything goes wrong, the guy who made decision will have all the documents, meeting minutes to show that he/she had done their best and had followed protocol and procedures. (ISO 9000)
All civil servants are very kiasu. They don't want to do anything wrong or say anything wrong. Look what happen to the scholars when they say something wrong.
If I am a PUB/NPark civil servant, I will do likewise to protect my rice bowl first. Afterall, I have kids to feed and send to school.
You fishermen can curse all you want. If the mininsters don't say anything, I don't go around courting trouble just because some fly fishermen want to have some fun. More people at the reservoir park means more chances of trouble. More fishermen means more complaints.
The canoes/kayaks have a federation and sports council to lobby for them. They are sportsmen going for glory for the country. They fit into the garmen's healthy lifestyle campaign.
If fly fishermen want a bit of freedom, we have to take this matter to a minister. That minister must understand what fly fishing is all about. He must also like fishing.
But I think we can just dream on guys. Because the big guns all play golf and don't fish.
That is life. We have to be realistic. Everybody has a rice bowl to protect.
But I am willing forge ahead and wait for this minister. When he appears, we can make our appeal and keep our fingers crossed.
Mean time.................................chiong ah. ;D (That's what we learnt in the army right?)
Platoon straight ahead, kaluis, 30 metres, own time own target, chiong ah........................... ;D
And then car park ;D ranger lai liow ah............ kar kin chow ah............................... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by RMG on May 16, 2005 14:30:32 GMT 8
Hi guys,
I too agree that a jetty or dock will not do much help in easing the never-ending issue of anglers vs other park users.
I'd rather have a pontoon or platform where anglers can fish, AND kayaks and canoes can be tied to, like the ones they have in LPR and BR... only to make them longer.
Collections from the rental of kayaks can be used for restocking of fishes or repairs and even replacing damaged canoes.
I don't think having a operator will do much good..... All the offices and admin and their paycheck... We could have made it simpler by just applying for the boating licenses at the PUB offices located in every reservoir or make bookings via the internet where a receipt will be issued to verify the booking and a key to be obtained to unlock the canoe from the pier.
What do you guys think? I'm sure writing in to PUB will result in a long wait before anything will be done... So perhaps MPs or writing to the Straits Times forum will create much more awareness and also gather more support from other fishos.
Just a few of my thoughts.. Pls feel free to add on if you've got some better ideas.
Cheers!
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Post by Qwek on May 16, 2005 14:59:59 GMT 8
Ok, let me be the devil’s advocate. I’ll wear the other shoes or hat for that matter.
Hello, IC, IC,
For the past few years, we had score of summons issued and names collected to identify every fishermen, especially flyfishermen in SinCity and also every AhLaus enough to fill all the old folks homes.
This will carry on until the reservoirs are cleared of fish or they died of linduspinnogangrene disease. How are we going to contain this fishing horde? First we designated fishing areas in some reservoirs, yet you guys go all over the place to fish. We then asked the local asses, eh, association on the type of fishing. “Just fishing with lures can already what” No fishing tackle over 9ft or flyfishing. Hmm, fishing with flies also can. Wah, liddat our NEA don’t have to worries about flies and mosquitoes. Oh, flies also bait, so cannot. Wait every fishermen want to use worms and other insects also. So, no worms, chicken, duck, cow or flies allowed. Ok, only lures can. There, so simple.
Now you want to fish in the Bedok reservoir and the Pandan Reservior as well. How to control you guys, we are already short of men to run after you. It not easy to run after you guys.
I ask IC, you hide and seek. How?
So, I think better to build a jetty to keep you guys there ok. Same, same, no worms, chicken, duck, cow or flies allowed. Ok, only lures can. There this so simple. See, the summons you’ve paid now can built jetty. Want to fish at Pandan, no problem. We catch more, you pay more. Easy lah, also no worms, chicken, duck, cow or flies allowed. Ok, only lures can. There also so simple.
Wah, now you want boats. Boats, need ramps, boat sheds, fenced up areas, need jagas you know. Liddat must increase fines from $50 to $500. Then we must follow regulation and deploy powered boat to police the boaters in the water. Also we must worry about people, like zac who like to complaint about pollution from an outboard motor. Geez, he should take a look at LP and see the weed-collectors in action. They dripping diesel like mtshark drooling in his bathtub from looking at all the fishes you’ve caught under our noses from the reservoirs.
So, want jetty or not. Don’t want, I buy more vehicles to chase you guys. Ok.
Ok, time to take off the pub hat. Now for some hard facts.
Years ago when the authorities decided to open up the reservoirs for fishing it was based on studies concluded in the local universities regarding the effects of weed controls effecting aquatics life. The decision wasn’t made because of the local association banging on their doors. They just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
The canoe, kayak and other rowers had a long and hard case before they are recognized as a national body representing our country in international events. Beside the international arena they are also SEEN to promote healthy lifestyles and safety in watersports to all ages.
The cycling body had a longer history, now they are helping the LTA and Traffic Police to promote safety on the roads. Beside promoting local and overseas events thru the sport council.
Twenty years ago, a group of motorcyclists approached the TP to form an association to promote road safety. They bought with them frameworks used in other countries, like UK, Germany, Australia and the US to the local authority to promote safer riding. Last time, motorcycle license were only PDL and Class 2. Now you have Class 2A, 2B (2C?) and Class 2. The group’s proposal to form an association was not approved. But the group studies and ideas on motorcycle safety were adopted and use in today requirement.
All these groups went to the authorities with a win-win proposal. Except for the motorcycle group, which was then “seen” as parallel to the AA then.
They have the right persons knocking at the right doors. It time we find that right person(s).
Hello, IC, IC,
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Post by ShadowCaster on May 16, 2005 19:45:23 GMT 8
I suggest a petition in the form of a written proposal of how we think our fishing resources should be managed.
Even if our white paper does not get implemented 100%, it would have been a worthwhile exercise if we can get a few hundred signatures.
I can volunteer to do the first draft. Give me a week or 2.
I certainly am not the best writer, nor do I have the best ideas. But I'll kick start the document and let all to pitch in their ideas.
How?
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Post by Admin on May 16, 2005 20:45:09 GMT 8
Yeh................................. Fly fishing in Singapore has a chance now. Thank you TY. Give that man a Tiger.
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Post by AnglerAdventurer on May 17, 2005 8:16:28 GMT 8
Hi all,
It is every fishermen's dream to fish from a boat in our reservoir.......and we are not the only one who wants to "get on the water", so to speak. Correct me if I'm wrong, the Wakeboarders and the canoes/kayaks also asking for their rights. PUB will not want to risk having all these "floating platforms" zig-zagging around in BR...to them, it's courting trouble. I think that's why the plan for the Jetty came about for us fishermen. PUB's main priority is safety for the people and they are not interested in making profits from such outdoor activities.
In my opinion, we come up with a proposal plan, a fishing ground strictly for fishing from paddle boats, ie, LP.....(the smallest, as BR and PR already taken up by other boat users).No other boating activities, just for fishing. TY can draft the documents and we provide the signatures. With this written papers, we give it straight to the Minister for the ENV, Mr Yacob, cause he's the one who's gonna say Yes or No or that they will look into this matter.
We can write to ST forum, submit the papers to PUB, Npark and so on... but these guys sitting there cannot make the decision. I think it will be wise to go to Mr Yacob and get his attention. Afterall, he was the one who gave the idea to open up Semakau for fishing and bird watching.
We can also organize a fishing carnival for PUB and Npark staff to get them involved with fishing. Hopefully that way, they can "understand" our call for this proposal.
I know this is no easy task but if everyone of us put our minds together, we can get the attention.....even if they were to give us Ponggol Park pond, I think they heard us. We are not criminals nor are we terrorists..... we are only enjoying our fishing. Is that a crime?
Huns.
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Post by Qwek on May 17, 2005 11:02:39 GMT 8
Correct me if I'm wrong, the Wakeboarders and the canoes/kayaks also asking for their rights. PUB will not want to risk having all these "floating platforms" zig-zagging around in BR... Hi folks, The concept plan is already in place, take a look at this; Concept Plans for Bedok and MacRitchie Reservoirs. www.pub.gov.sg/home/bedok_speech.phpThe fishing jetty will be located left of the pump house. Look like it going to be crowded there. btw, have you guys check this out, kayaking at Mac Reservoir: www.pub.gov.sg/home/Kayaking.php I think it time to go for a kayaking course and take out my smuggler outfit. Don't get wet. Cheers Qwek
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Post by snakeriver on May 17, 2005 11:56:06 GMT 8
hey guys, what we need is a "voice" and this is really great that TY has volunteer to represent us. We know the road to success is not going to be easy. I guess the reason why canoeing and wakeboarding is allowed is that they are of "national status" as a sporting body. Sports council recognise them. I guess that what SFAS is trying to acheive too.
Like Huns mention, we need to make our presence felt and writing to Mr. Yacob maybe a good suggestion as he is the person that got NEA to open S island for nature lovers and sports fishermen.
I am just curious, if there is a flyfishing club in Singapore, will our "voice" be louder ;D
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Post by Admin on May 18, 2005 15:40:15 GMT 8
If there is going to be such a club, TY will be the best candidate to lead us - well travelled, knowledegable, high IQ and EQ.... need I say more? YH I second the nomination.
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Post by ShadowCaster on May 18, 2005 19:54:10 GMT 8
Hi fellows, thanks for the undeservingly kind words. I firmly believe that all flyfishers are leaders in their own right, so in this context, I certainly am not qualified to lead in any manner. But what I do want is a good local sports fishing environment and will chip in my small token to make it happen. No gurantee the White Paper proposal will work, but it'll be exciting to try. You never know what we'll end up getting. Seriously though, I think besides NEA, an equally important agency to convince is MCYS (Ministry of Community Development, Youth & Sports). NEA's agenda is to maintain a clean/habitable environment and to ensure public safety. We need to project the notion that a sustainable sport-fishing environment is compatible with their objectives. NEA will remain agnostic as long as they can be convinced that their duty is not compromised. The best we can get out of NEA is that they will no longer be a "show-stopper" at the nature parks and resevoirs on the condition that no one polutes the parks/waters or drown in it. But it will be un-realistic to expect NEA to help champion our sport fishing interest as it is outside of their scope or work. MCYS on the other hand has the responsibility to foster a healthy community and sporting life in Singapore. The last time I checked, sports-fishing is still classified as a wholesom activity that promotes healthy life-style and family & community cohesiveness. (my wife disagrees with the family cohesiveness part but that's another story....) So if we can get MCYS on board after removing the existing hurdles set by NEA, things will move along a lot faster. Just my thoughts...........now back to my white paper.....need a few more days........
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Post by hana on Jun 17, 2005 11:28:54 GMT 8
Even fishing got so much problem and politic amount angler,sometime i wonder fishing is just a normal hobby why these bunch of ppl make it until so complicated.Do they got problem or wat?Or they are trying to be funny? What are these ppl trying to prove?To prove that they are representing the public to fight for their own fishing right or really they are standing out there for the public.
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Post by evelyn on Jun 17, 2005 17:24:43 GMT 8
Hi People,
I am new to this forum but I would like to know this jetty is it specifically set aside for fishing or for the public in general. If it is for the public, then I think the money will be well spent as there will be more places to stroll and just enjoy the scenery. It would be self centered and narrow-minded to think that they are building this just for Anglers unless they specifically say so lah:)
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