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Post by mtshark on Aug 17, 2006 14:05:00 GMT 8
hi guys  , went practicing at the reservoir next to my flat at HKU. managed to get the casting better, a little mare accurate and distance ;D. tied on a nymph imitation, but got no bites for about half an hour. but very small goramis were pursuing it. no takers. seem to veer off at the last moment :' (and also got hang up in the trees several times.  then saw and caught a grasshopper, tied it to a hook and cast it out instead of an imitation  . very quickly, it was taken by a hybrid-tilapia. prb half a kilo. my first of anything on a fly-fishing outfit ;D. question is: does this count as fly-fishing?  Hi azlan123, For me I dont think the question is "does it count as fly-fishing? ". My question would be, "That's the next fly I must tie!" I see a fish rise for an ant... ant flies! I see a fish rise for a beetle... beetle flies! Etc... Regards. Edward |
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Post by alberto on Aug 21, 2006 8:19:09 GMT 8
Hi Eric,
I think you have encountered your first and most important lesson on the water... finding out what your target fish is feeding on.
Like mts mentioned in his post, if they are feeding on ants, then tie up a batch of ants and if its beetles, then beetles it is. In your case its hoppers and there are many patterns for hoppers. Tie them up in different sizes and colours and see what works best. What could be the hottest flies in your box now could be useless after a couple of trips.
As we practice catch and release, the fish learns and remembers that flies that we have been using.
As you have mentioned, catch and release must be the main aim but you should realise that taking and occasional fish home to eat is not a crime.
Wish you all the best in this exciting journey....
regards
Alberto
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Post by alberto on Aug 21, 2006 11:35:24 GMT 8
Hi Eric,
Today's multi piece rods are so well made that you cannot feel the joints at all. In the olde days, you could feel the joints when the rod is flexed. Now multipiece rods feels like its one piece when flexed. Together with the convience of being able to take them anywhere you want is a major plus point, especially if you fly to another country to fly fish.
There are very few 1 pc rod and I have only seen one (Japanese and another is from G Loomis meant for Guides who leaves it on the boat).
In Singapore, very little fly fishermen want rods less that 4 pcs due to the convience of being able to take them everywhere. I have a liking for rods with spigot joint and the only 3 pcs rod that I have is my Daiwa Alltmor #2.
regards
Alberto
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Post by snakeriver on Aug 21, 2006 11:46:56 GMT 8
hi guys , went practicing at the reservoir next to my flat at HKU. managed to get the casting better, a little mare accurate and distance ;D. tied on a nymph imitation, but got no bites for about half an hour. but very small goramis were pursuing it. no takers. seem to veer off at the last moment :' (and also got hang up in the trees several times. then saw and caught a grasshopper, tied it to a hook and cast it out instead of an imitation . very quickly, it was taken by a hybrid-tilapia. prb half a kilo. my first of anything on a fly-fishing outfit ;D. question is: does this count as fly-fishing? Hi Eric, to some diehard fly fishos, they will not consider it as "fly-fishing" as fly fishing to them refers to catching fish using feather or furs on a fly rod. I tend to agree with this point not that I am purist but rather I like the challenge of using a imitation to fool the fish in taking the flies. In your case, you may have tried several patterns without any success but your accidental usage of the grasshopper to entice the take from a tilipia actually meant a new find for you. In this case, you know that the fishes there do eat hoppers and I urge you to try casting a hopper pattern the next time you fish there. There are other things that you will need to take note like the time of day, what colour of hopper that they like and tippet length or pound that will not spook them etc. Fly fishing should be fun and challenging and all in all, it is also a learning process that is never ending. BTW, watch the movie that you recommend, yes it is a good movie and Brad Pitt was not that famous at that time. However, the scenery in the movie are breath taking and trout fishing using dries is simply awesome. ;D |
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Post by alberto on Aug 22, 2006 9:19:42 GMT 8
hi alberto, thanks for the advice on multi-piece rods  . makes alot of good sense. and most outfitters in USA & UK seem to stock more multi-pieces rods. need further advice . the line-lubrication they have on market seems exotic and expensive. what are you guys using as substitute? I saw an article, and lefty-krey suggested using car-windshield wash, particularly the non-corrosive type. however the brand he suggested is not available in HK  . cheers bro eric Dear Eric, Once you have used and get used to the convience of a multipiece fly rod, its very hard to use the two or even three piece rods. With regards to the line cleaner, again there are many camps. The line cleaners at the shop are indeed expensive and I have tried using Armour All (sparingly) to clean my fly line. No damage so far to my Sage Quite Tapers and SA lines. But then again, there are people who say I'm nut to be doing it  regards Alberto |
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Post by azlan123 on Sept 12, 2006 21:18:18 GMT 8
Hi guys received an interesting answer from a flyer in the UK on the definition of fly fishing ;D: IMO, the most technically correct and inclusive definition of fly fishing I've ever seen was something like: A method of fishing using a rod and line where the weight of the line itself is used to propel a nearly weightless lure toward the fish. Setting aside the fact that the word "lure" has acquired an alternative meaning in the UK, I do remember that there was no specific mention of what constituted a "fly". I think this was deliberate and correct because the above definition is a very good objective description of fly fishing. What "rightly" belongs on the end of leader is highly, highly, highly subjective. For example, is a tube fly really a fly? Is a blob? A popper? Is fishing with an attractor pattern? And as Alex very rightly points out, if you could cast a Rapala on your fly rod, would you still be fly fishing? Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. Back to the original question, I would say that historically fly fishing included the use of both real flies/insects/terrestrial AND artificial. Before many of the synthetic materials became available to imitate grasshoppers and frogs, many fly anglers used the real thing. Also sporting literature I've read from the 19th and early 20th century shows that mayflies and salmonflies were often used instead of an artificial fly. So I guess my answer to is it fly fishing is more of a question: Is it fly fishing to you? Grouse Now this is money in the basket!  |
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, went practicing at the reservoir next to my flat at HKU. managed to get the casting better, a little mare accurate and distance ;D. tied on a nymph imitation, but got no bites for about half an hour. but very small goramis were pursuing it. no takers. seem to veer off at the last moment :' (and also got hang up in the trees several times. 
. very quickly, it was taken by a hybrid-tilapia. prb half a kilo. my first of anything on a fly-fishing outfit ;D. 
. makes alot of good sense. and most outfitters in USA & UK seem to stock more multi-pieces rods.
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