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Post by yong on Oct 27, 2005 18:58:47 GMT 8
hi guys,it's nice to know you share the same interest in cane rods as i do and that you are going to build one soon.i built a wayne cattanach taper 5 wt.last month using local bamboo and have caught a tarpon with it.please let me know if you need any info and i will be very willing to share what i know .cheers,yong .
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Post by Admin on Oct 27, 2005 19:16:42 GMT 8
........please let me know if you need any info and i will be very willing to share what i know .cheers,yong . yong, please post some photoes for us to lau-nuah.
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Post by Chee Yung on Oct 28, 2005 8:34:10 GMT 8
Hi Yong, Are you the famous spey caster Yong from KL? Do you know Darrell Beng who used to chat here? Welcome to the forum and especially to the bamboo section! ... I have been busy at work and couldn't greet you earlier... Thanks BT for covering for me with the welcome greeting:D It is admirable that you have completed your first cane rod. The Cattanach taper ( sir D?) is a great casting one I heard . Most of us here only dream of making the rods due to lack of space. How I wish I can go back to Malaysia more often so that I can set up a rodmaking room in PJ Do post the pictures of your rod and I hope to meet up with you one day as I go back to Malaysia ( PJ) quite often. In fact, I'm going back tomorrow.. first to PJ then to Ipoh and Taiping for a few days. Unfortunately, I think it will be difficult to meet up as its a family thing ;D Nice talking! Cheers CY
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Post by yong on Oct 28, 2005 13:29:32 GMT 8
dear billy teoh and chee yung,thanks for the replyto my post.i wish i could send photos but just dont know how at the moment.you can view it if you come down to tacklebox at subang.darrell is my good friend and mentor and an expert riverman.he also taught me spey casting.we must go for a cuppa when you guys are free and organise something fun to do like a cane club etc. cheers,yong.
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Post by yong on Oct 28, 2005 17:41:24 GMT 8
cane rods are amazing in that you can use very fine tippets without ever breaking off .the other advantage is that it resists collapsing under the load of the line while casting unlike fibreglass.it loads much better than graphite so they dont need to be very long.7 feet is the ideal length.the one that i made is a one piece ,7 foot rod with a long swelled buttand wooden reel seat.i can cast almost the whole 4 wt xxd line with some effort and using long strokes and keeping line taut all the time.i can feel the fish as if it was in my hand once i hookup and strike.cheers,yong.
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Post by ShadowCaster on Nov 2, 2005 16:52:48 GMT 8
Hi Yong, Amazing to know we have a bamboo builder within a thousand miles of here!
Do you use a planing form or a beveller? Where do you get your tools?
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Post by yong on Nov 4, 2005 22:49:15 GMT 8
dear shadow caster ,i use locally available stuff only as i dont want to spend on imported stuff.too complicated etc.i made a wooden planing form using 2 small beams from a hardware shop 4 feet long and attached with 10 long screws.and nuts.i spent a long time filing the 60 degree groove and measuring the depth etc with a dial gauge bought from a hardware exhibition,and two triangle files glued to a plastic plate(transparent).the beams were first planed smooth using a 45 degree plane and sandpaper.the bamboo strips were planed with another plane ,25 degrees type block plane.all the tools you need can be ordered from the hardware shop"s catalog books.
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Post by yong on Nov 4, 2005 23:10:56 GMT 8
sorry, i used two sets of screws, one for pulling the form together and another for pushing them apart to get a deeper reading.so it's 20 screws.i used a wood drill bit which was slightly smaller than the screws so that i could force tap the holes into the wood.you should have 10 dowel pinsfor each 5 inch station but my form doesn't have them.i can make rod s to within 7 thou accuracy with this form .you should order the golden witch form etc. as they are more accurate.however its very long and i heard that tonkin cane has to be quarantined .chers, yong
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Post by ShadowCaster on Nov 6, 2005 10:30:42 GMT 8
Hi Yong,
Thanks for the details and its encouraging to know what you've done.
Incidentally, after getting the planed strips, do you use a Garrison style binder for binding? Or is there a simpler substitute? Any good way to get URAC185 in our region?
Best Regards
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Post by yong on Nov 7, 2005 18:24:46 GMT 8
dear shadowcaster,i just bind the glued sections by rolling it with one hand and feeding the thread with the other.i can get the rod very straight with this method.then i tie the tip with copper wire and hang it on a nail high up on the wall to let the epoxy set.this takes some practice .if the first layer of binding is too tight it will be hard to straighten the rod before the next layer is done.some cane makers use industrial strength epoxy so i am doing the same.urac 185 can be substituted by other glues .i have used devcon and now araldite seems to work fine.it's hard to mix urac cos you have to weigh the resins.no idea where it's available here though.cheers,yong
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Post by yong on Nov 8, 2005 12:20:39 GMT 8
hi ,just found out there are 2 types of glue you can use.one is made by borden called perkins l-100and the weldwood resorcinol .you could also check with furniture factories to see if you can get what they use for wood.the urac 185 is made by american cyanamid industries.also can contact some japanese rodmakers to find out where they buy their glue.the other option is to order from goldenwitch.(bamboo rods can cast big flies well and yet are also able to cast mono a good distance.if hit by a heavy goldhead nymph bamboo will not fracture like graphite.) cheers,yong.
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Post by yong on Feb 27, 2006 13:21:34 GMT 8
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Post by yong on Jul 19, 2006 18:23:50 GMT 8
when i go fishing with my splitcane i notice that every cast seems to be near perfect and identical and that it can cast into the wind better than all my graphite rods believe it or not.please comment cheers yong.
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Post by Chee Yung on Jul 20, 2006 12:44:46 GMT 8
Dear Yong, Being a speycaster, you would appreciate the type of rod action that makes good 'rollcasts'... IMHO bamboo is excellent for such an action Bamboo rods are also more forgiving in terms of rythm and that should translate to more accurate and controlled casts for us 'normal' folks ;D. As for casting in the wind, its about loop control and if you are not too particular about weight, a bamboo rod can be designed really stiff to have small loops.. Cheers CY
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Post by yong on Jul 20, 2006 18:34:11 GMT 8
hi chee yung, i have not tried speycasting a bamboo rod but i know that it will cast very well from what i have read about the flyfishers of the past like alexander grant who use cane and greenheart speyrods.cane rods seem to form a very stable and smooth casting loop and this i think is the reason why the flyline travels further and turns over the leader smartly when casting on a windy day.i also agree that cane rods can be designed to be very stiff and able to cast tight loops as well as have a smoother action than graphite .with new technology and new makers just around the corner lighter and more responsive rod designs will be possible.i have also tried casting a long mono line and distances of 45 ft or more are possible.the fly lands very slowly and softly on the water like a real insect would.do try this out with your rods and let me know what you think .cheers .
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