Constructive Feedback or Confrontational

[Admin]

Recently, after the introduction of the White Papers,
I had heard some very disturbing comments.
Comments implying that the White Papers which Tan Yik had written is "taking on the authorities".

Coming from representatives of an organisation which had been accused
of doing too little for fishing in Singapore, i will urge the forummers here to disregard
those unreasonable comments and read the White Paper and judge it on its merits.

I had treated those comments as unbecoming of a gentlemen and
had categorised it in the same category as
"not allowing bait fishing in a rubbish dump for hygenic and cleanliness reasons."

How unintelligent can one be?



Well educated, rational and intelligent fishermen
will read the White Paper and carefully consider its merits and directions
and quality of the feedback to the two government bodies.

We have a Minister in Dr. Vivian Balakrishna asking for
Singaporeans to take up the challenge to give the government feedbacks.
In my opinion, the White Paper was a very well composed and written
piece of feedback that could be vital to the improvements of fishing in Singapore in general.
I am pretty sure that Dr. Vivian Balakrishna will welcome such an initiative.
Afterall he is also the Youth Minister.
The Principles in the White Papers will not affect us
so much in the years to come because we would be dead.
Singapore Youths will benefit from the efforts put in by Tan Yik and the rest of the seniors fly fishermen.

Let us not put down the good work done by our friends and collegues
because one would like to suck up to the authorities for
some undeserved recognisation, support, priviledges, benefits, invitations and subsidies.

[AnglerAdventurer]

No matter how you want to see it, there is always two sides of the coin! Some anglers are "FOR" and some are "AGAINST" the White Paper Proposal. It all depends on the individual as to "WHAT" or "HOW" his or her agenda benefits from this.

This White Paper Proposal is for the whole of the Fishing Community in Singapore......... to manage the future fishery population appropriately.

How is this White Paper Proposal detrimental to the fishing community?

Anybody can give constructive criticism about this White Paper......... but you cannot Lampoon us!


Huns.

[Qwek]

It is very disturbing indeed, and alot of us are not surprised by their greeds and ambitions.

Recently two of the high ranking committee members were approached to give their support for the White Papers. One of them flaty refused, stating that they are "Key Appointment Holders" and cannot signed or endosed the proposal. The other member simply stated that since his colleaque is not signing therefore he is not going to lend support as well and it (the White Papers) is just a proposal. When asked if they will step down for others to carry on the cause, they stated that they cannot do so because they are "Founding Pioneers". What happen to democrary! A visiting angler who was presented at that afternoon exclaimed: "This is a Socialist talking, this is not a communist state!" How sad!

Founding Pioneers! Let's us hope that they are the last emperors.

Qwek

[snakeriver]

sigh...felt very disappointed over such comments coming from them.

all of us know that if we were to sit here and do nothing to change the situation, for years to come, we will be still fishing in fear.

My personal comments - is someone in the association looking at the proposal??

If yes, can we know what is their comments on this??

Is it possible for the association to welcome more members on board??

There are many objectives that the assiociation try to acheive or involve for the future of fishing in Singapore, do they have enough and correct manpower to do it?

If everyone is ready to sit down and discuss, I am sure we can reach to a common understanding. My personal feedback on how to improve and speedup the process of the work is that there should be more people getting involved with the association. 1 group to promote sportcasting, 1 group to look into educational involvement, 1 group to tackle the authorities for more legal grounds etc. Currently, from what I see, it is the same few persons trying to make things work.....

I have no grudges towards any party and these are purely my "feel" about the whole issue. I am prepare to get the people to talk to us. I know they are busy with something major at this moment but there is really an urgency that we should clear the air and have the common goal.

[Nutzfactory]

I see this white paper as the first real step towards us anglers working together as a unified body to bring our sport to a higher level.

In the past, most of us have had our points of views or ideas but have never been able to either voice them out or put them to work. I am very glad that our friend has so kindly put in the effort to research and formulate this white paper in the hope of putting all our thoughts and hopes in words. Even more important is that all these thought and hopes will now be viewed by the relevant authorities.

This should have been done a long time ago but it's never too late. To hear that some members of the only other association that is pushing for the same cause are not willing to support this white paper, pains me. I write this not in spite but to present my point of view and some personal thoughts.

One: If we, as a small community of anglers, cannot work together for the same cause, how can we convince others that we are ready to take on bigger responsibilities like such when the reservoirs are open to public to fish. As stated in the white paper, we need to keep a lookout for poachers and illegal netters, etc. Can we fulfill our side of the bargain if the authorities gives in? Can we be trusted to work together to educate all, in the need for catch and release?

Two: We need to know exactly what our goal is in pushing to bring our sport to a higher level? Are we just trying to plan for fishing competitions and nothing else? To further our sport, we need to educate. Educate others in the need for catch and release, in the need to respect and protect the environment and also in respecting our fellow anglers. We need also to educate beginners on how to start fishing so as to keep them interested. I know of many who have had the passion to start but gave up because of not knowing where to get information on how to fish or not catching fish at all or, even more sadly, meeting unethical and selfish individuals who put our sport in bad light. I feel that the Association be doing more such work to increase our numbers?

Three: There are so many aspects of fishing or sport-fishing that it will take a lifetime to learn everything. If so, can an association with a small committee be able to look into every aspect of it? The Association has members and so, should they not be called upon to contribute and help to head various 'departments' like Blue-water gamefishing, inshore gamefishing, freshwater gamefishing, fly fishing, coarse fishing, and the list goes on. The categories and be expanded or grouped as necessary but the point here is to highlight the need of a larger group to take each area and push it further in trying out new ideas for tackle or rigging or refine and improve old methods. There are also periphery 'departments' like lure making, fly tying and rod building for those who are interested. But sadly, I have not seen or heard of any such activities or groups being set up.

Four: Should this white paper be viewed as a 'threat' to the existence of the association? I should hope not. If anything, in support of point three, on the contrary, help to strengthen other 'departments' which the association may be lacking currently. As Snakeriver has so correctly stated, we need to start seeing more people taking on new roles and not just the same people all the time. If there ever was a lack of volunteers, then I feel that the need for more active members can now be addressed by posting a request on this or any other forum, with a clear description of what help is required of these volunteers and the goals that are hoped to be achieved. Even golfers can be a member of numerous clubs so why view this white paper as something that is vying for the same members? Is there a more personal agenda? I hope not.

Perhaps, it is time also for us to come together as matured anglers to put our brains together and our differences aside and work together for a better fishing tomorrow. We have the resources to make fishing a healthy and challenging sport for locals and foreign visitors alike.

nutz

Note: Moderator, if any of my points are OT, please feel free to remove and place in a more suitable thread. Thanks.

[RMG]

Hi all...

In my opinion, an association is a group organised for a joint purpose.. they are not the authorities... they do not open up the reservoirs for sport fishing. They are "suppose" to be there to educate, promote and gather people of the same interest to work on a common goal/interest .

They can work with the authorities to promote or to strengthen their cause but they certainly do not the power to stop others from promoting a similar cause.

Like i said, the association is to help people of the same thought and not to make use of the trust given by the authorities and their sponsors for their own benefit, especially if the benefit is kept to the benefit of the "key personnels" or "founding members" only... This can be classed as corruption...

And it's no secret that all key personnels and even the president of an association is elected by it's group members, so if any key appointment holder or founding members thinks that he cannot step down, HE IS SO WRONG!

I am one who, belongs to many associations both locally and overseas, supports the push of the white paper... and whoever said you cannot be a member in different associations?

Cheers!

[RMG]

Hi there superman.... wait, it's unclebuck...

First and foremost, the white paper has already been drafted.

Secondly, most of us here are in full support and had already signed and provided our particulars for verification in the white paper.

Thirdly, we are already setting an example by picking up litters left by others at our watering holes.

Well, if you want me to list down everything we do, it'll take up quite alot of server space... and it'll probably hit the hundreds.... i might as well not waste my lunch time...

We might not have taken a long walk but we've started walking.... What about you superman? Have you been hit by a beef pattie yet? I'd like to see you fly... ;D


Cheers?

[AnglerAdventurer]

Hi there unclebuck,

Let me take your Talk for a little Walk..........

I don't mean to be rude but if you have questions pertaining to certain religion, may I suggest you take a WALK to a church and have a TALK with the priest. I am very sure he will enlighten you on your confusion. Please don't run and hide from this confusion.......Walk your Talk! By the way, we don't preach here.

There are men in this forum and there's foolish man in this forum.........who use the name of Superman. Oh, by the way, Superman exposes his RED underwear in public............ do you, Unclebuck?

Up and Away???

[Qwek]

Hi Unclebuck,

So is he JC or CK aka Clark Kent? Or is he both J.C.C.K? Hmmm CCK, the initial does sound familiar....

You are definitely not the 666 chap for sure.

Look in the sky... it's a brd, no it's a plane. No, it too high up on the throne...

Qwek

[xxJiMboZxx]

How about talking about something like Bucktails or Buck's tale!... instead of using Jesus name in vain. Its gonna be blasphemy! Your are using alot of bible texts but you do not know wat is the real meaning behind it . Tell you, no one is perfect enough to follow His footsteps, so you might as well be superman in your dreams.

[Admin]

Guys,

I have ban unclebuck.

Anybody can shed some light who he really is.

[xxJiMboZxx]

He is just another bug! he should call unclebug...... bugging us all.

[FCUK]

Sorry for the late response guys but Billy wants me to do my job - so I took the liberty of making that Superuncle's " Walk the Talk " post......." walk the plank " liao ;D

Ideally, I woulda like to give his posts a free trip to the " Obnoxious Post " section - but what the FcUk do I know about Forum Adminstration - after all, I'm just the Forum Farterator

Please carry on with the " Constructive Feedback ", and less of the " Confrontation "

;D

[Qwek]

We can only guess to the identity of unclebuck. If they wish to engaged us in stealth mode only show how credible and sincere they are in dealing in any of the local angling related issues.

My "tabloid" instinct tell me that unclebuck is posting for two writers. My conclusion is that the first posting about JC and superman is typical of a person so muddled up that he does know facts from fictions and spouting gibberish. I can think of half the local tabloid reporters and one Mr Magoo, a "founding pioneer".

The other writer, is one probably in the publishing or printiing industries. That identity is any one's guess.

But as for hana, i think i know who he is. I don't thnk we will see the last of them with their identities concealed.

Qwek

[Admin]

I have also edited some of the follow up posts to
the offending uncleBUG posts.

After this incident,
I will delete/edit all religious comments (whether for or against)
that is view as detrimental to the religious harmony we have among our anglers.