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Post by alberto on Jul 9, 2007 18:13:25 GMT 8
Qwek, It seems like the place is now open to public for fishing and also can use bait (dough) on designated ponds. Fly and lures is still the main activities there. See link below for cr on VT. www.fishing.net.my/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11076cheers TYS I just visited the link posted by IMX Someone owe us an explaination Alberto Slience... still no replies or explanation...
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Post by Qwek on Jul 10, 2007 9:44:04 GMT 8
Hi folks,
I have spoken to Pak Amin twice regarding members' concerns on the future of Razak's Place. We hope that Pak Amin would be able to response these enquiries. Qwek
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Post by alberto on Aug 11, 2007 9:52:54 GMT 8
Does anyone know where Pak Amin is? Is it so difficult for him to give an answer to those flyfishermen who paid membership fees to have the privilege to fly fish at Razak's pond? Razak does not even want to take our calls! Pak Amln, it's not about money. its about accountability, honour and integrity. alberto
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Post by Qwek on Aug 13, 2007 10:27:04 GMT 8
The last time I spoke to Pak Amin, he assumed that I did not have Razak's contact. We tried calling Razak using Pak Amin's hp several times and was cut off each time. Even if the number is correct, I think Pak Amin should call him again and also respond to the members' queries.
I should not be handling this issue any more even though I had been instrumental in arranging for the past trips.
Pak Amin had been very helpful in arranging and promoting fishing grounds and spots. Infact, according to Pak Amin, he unselfishly gave Henry numerous bonefish spots in Maldives during Henry's last expedition. I'm sure that many of us had been very lucky to recieve invaluable flyfishing tips from him too and were always willing to join him for fishing expeditions.
I hope that Pak Amin is able to find time in his busy travelling schedule to respond to the members' queries as to the future of Razak's place.
Let me also remind all other commercials affiliates that this forum is free for them to post their services FREE-OF-CHARGE to the members in this forum. All we ask of you is to provide a honest and responsible services to them.
Should we receive complaints about your services or lack-of, we would not hestitate to lock up their board and we would leave it locked to serve as a warning to the members.
Qwek
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Post by alberto on Aug 13, 2007 12:38:56 GMT 8
Dear Q, I fully acknowledge your effort and dedication in arranging the trips to Razak's place on behalf of Pak Amin. Myself and the many fly fishos that went there will surely say a big thank you for your effort. You are right that you should not be handling this issue any more than you already have. I sincerly apologise if that seems to be the case.
I also acknowledge Pak Amin's tireless effort to promote new spots and his selfless sharing of his "spots" to others.
I'm not looking to have an unpleasant confrontation with Pak Amin. I just asking for an explanation on what has transpired that led to us not being able to fish there. Did we offend Razak in the things we said or the way we fished? Were we insensitive to our host? If we did, an apology is warranted to Razak. If its none of the above, then what happened?
Its just a lack of response from Pak Amin is not a good way to deal with this.
This extended period of silence goes to show that a response is not forthcoming and from today onwards I'll not pursue this matter anymore. My friendship with Q and the other fly fishermen that I have known all these years is so much more valuable ;D
regards Alberto
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Post by Qwek on Aug 14, 2007 11:24:47 GMT 8
You are right that you should not be handling this issue any more than you already have. I sincerly apologise if that seems to be the case. Hi Alberto, No need lah. We all need to close this episode as soon as possible and move on. But Pak Amin need to explain to the rest of the flyfishermen who signed on what happening to Razak place and their memberships. In a way I am responsible for leaving them in a lurch, 'cause I encouraged them to sign on thinking that we may have a great place to flyfish. Guess we will be smarter the next time around signing up for any scheme or any trips. Cheers Qwek
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Post by alberto on Aug 14, 2007 12:58:47 GMT 8
You are right that you should not be handling this issue any more than you already have. I sincerly apologise if that seems to be the case. Hi Alberto, No need lah. We all need to close this episode as soon as possible and move on. But Pak Amin need to explain to the rest of the flyfishermen who signed on what happening to Razak place and their memberships. In a way I am responsible for leaving them in a lurch, 'cause I encouraged them to sign on thinking that we may have a great place to flyfish. Guess we will be smarter the next time around signing up for any scheme or any trips. Cheers Qwek Q, Please do not lay any blame on your shoulders. I know for a fact that you have tried hard to arrange for outings to Razak's place. Silence just perpetuate the finger pointing due to ignorance of the facts and the situation. Like you said, we'll let this episode RIP regards Alberto
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Post by xxJiMboZxx on Aug 15, 2007 13:23:50 GMT 8
By the looks of it.. I suspect Amin probably have an misunderstanding wif Razak and he is probably unable to explain to us. That is why you did not respond to this thread.
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Post by poisonmaster on Aug 15, 2007 15:10:04 GMT 8
By the looks of it.. I suspect Amin probably have an misunderstanding wif Razak and he is probably unable to explain to us. That is why you did not respond to this thread. That time u still ask me to join... ;D
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Post by alberto on Aug 16, 2007 8:55:14 GMT 8
This was posted in the Malaysian forum on the 28th April 07:
"This is to inform all MFN bro and sisters that VITA is open with immediate effect. All are welcome. Contact person is Bro Thomas. He has an in depth knowledge of the place , its action and many more suprises."
regards Alberto
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Post by xxJiMboZxx on Aug 16, 2007 22:40:27 GMT 8
Wonder what is MFN ?
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Post by Flyfishing With Amin on Aug 29, 2007 23:42:11 GMT 8
Firstly, I apologize for not responding sooner. No intention at all to keep silent. Reason is I've been away and also my computer crashed. Had to get a new one and only recently managed to get it up and running.
Now about this issue on Razak's place - aka VITA. 1. No Jimmy, I did not have a misunderstanding with Razak. 2. I have been calling him but no response. I've also given Qwek, Razak's contact before CNY. 3. The arrangment was any member can contact Razak directly should they want to arrange a trip up there. Not necessarily to go through me or Qwek. For the members, here's Razak's contact: +6017375403
FYI, I do not earn anything from Razak's place. Most of you have my number.If you regard me as a friend, you should call me to find out whats happening, as I've not responded to this thread earlier.
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Post by alberto on Aug 30, 2007 8:33:15 GMT 8
Dear Pak, Thanks for the response.
Clarification, clarity and responsibility is all I ask for.
Wishing you the best of health
regards Alberto
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Post by Qwek on Sept 3, 2007 8:54:41 GMT 8
Most of you have my number.If you regard me as a friend, you should call me to find out whats happening, as I've not responded to this thread earlier. Dear Pak Amin, Firstly, I like to thank you for taking the time to respond to this query. As a friend, I chose to bring this matter to you personally so that those who signed up for this place can rest assured of a place to continue fishing. You must understand that this scheme of your is not for just those closed to you but to the rest of the flyfishing community thru this forum and some of them signed up based on our recommendation of your standing. These members do not know you personally and do not have your number. Since this is posted and promoted in the commercial section of this forum. We have our responsibilities to our members as well. I hope you understand where we come from and see our need for transparency in this forum. Coming back to Razak's Place aka Vita. Yes, you have given his contact to me and we have tried calling him. So far we have not been successful for this whole year, even using your hp twice. The arrangment was any member can contact Razak directly should they want to arrange a trip up there. Not necessarily to go through me This arrangement was not made known to them before in this forum. Pak, you must understand some of our members do not have your contact. Since you and I have difficulties contacting him, can you post your contact here for those who are unable to reach him? Regards Qwek
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Post by Flyfishing With Amin on Sept 3, 2007 17:00:40 GMT 8
Qwek thanks for the posting. I agree that there a few new members do not know me personally. But the majority in this forum do and definitely have my contact. Its human nature my friend, those who have my contact will know themselves weather they have my contact or not. I dare to say this, as some have called me personally to ask for fishing spot in Malaysia. Anyway, I finally managed to get through to Razak today. I told him off that he has double standards because the Singapore members have not been able to contact him since CNY to arrange for fishing trips to Vita. He says that he has not gotten any calls. I again gave him Qwek's number to contact him directly. And I also told him to check the this forum. Amin
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